Sushi anyone? ------- Environment 22:03, 06-Jun-2023 Content of radioactive element in fish at Fukushima's Nuclear Power Plant 180 times of safe limit CGTN The radioactive elements in the marine fish caught in the harbor of the Fukushima Daiichi Nuclear Power Plant in Japan far exceed safety levels for human consumption, according to a report issued by the plant's operator Tokyo Electric Power Company (TEPCO) on Monday. In particular, the data released show that the content of Cs-137, a radioactive element that is a common byproduct in nuclear reactors, is 180 times that of the standard maximum stipulated in Japan's food safety law. Screenshot of Tokyo Electric Power Company's report on the radioactive content in fish in the harbor of the Fukushima Daiichi Nuclear Power Plant in Japan. /CGTN Screenshot of Tokyo Electric Power Company's report on the radioactive content in fish in the harbor of the Fukushima Daiichi Nuclear Power Plant in Japan. /CGTN CGTN downloaded the English version of the report available on TEPCO's official website. According to the data, the sampled black rockfish contains the radioactive element Cs-137 with a content of 18,000 becquerels per kilogram. Data available on the website of Fukushima Revitalization Station run by Japan's Fukushima prefectural government shows that Japan's current limit of radioactive cesium in general food which contains fish is set at 100 becquerels per kilogram. Screenshot of Standard limits of radioactive substances for food in Japan, obtained from the website of Fukushima Revitalization Station run by Japan's Fukushima prefectural government. /CGTN Screenshot of Standard limits of radioactive substances for food in Japan, obtained from the website of Fukushima Revitalization Station run by Japan's Fukushima prefectural government. /CGTN According to the report, the location where the sampled fish was caught is at the port area of Units 1 to 4 of the Fukushima Daiichi Nuclear Power Plant, where a breakwater is built and nuclear wastewater with a high concentration of radioactive substances flows in. TEPCO said it will set up multiple protective nets to prevent fish from swimming out of the harbor. A Chinese news website sina.com.cn quoted experts noting that the radioactive elements in the nuclear wastewater could penetrate into fish, shrimp and other seafood, and later accumulate in the human body after consumption. A magnitude 9.0 quake on March 11, 2011, triggered a massive tsunami that destroyed the plant's power supply and cooling systems, causing reactors No. 1, 2 and 3 to melt and spew large amounts of radiation. Water used to cool the reactors' cores leaked into the basements of the reactor buildings and mixed with rainwater and groundwater. Now, 12 years after the triple reactor meltdowns, Japan is preparing to release the massive amount of treated radioactive wastewater into the sea later this summer. TEPCO on Monday started sending seawater into an underwater tunnel to be diluted before releasing the nuclear wastewater into the ocean. The company said that all facilities for the water release system are expected to be completed by the end of this month. Local fishing communities say their businesses and livelihoods will suffer still more damage. Neighboring countries such as China and South Korea and Pacific Island nations have raised safety concerns. Environmental groups including Friends of the Earth oppose the release. (With input from AP; cover image via VCG) (If you want to contribute and have specific expertise, please contact us at [email protected].)

Exactly, exactly. And the story behind the Intelligence League is a very simple one. After COVID ended up spreading around the United States and producing a gigantic domestic disaster, obviously, our intelligence services wanted to prove that they were not responsible for what happened, that they had provided the information to the top American leadership, which was just ignored. In other words, they wanted to get away from being blamed for the disaster. Therefore, four separate intelligence sources confirmed to ABC News that the secret report had been provided to the White House and our top leadership in November describing a potentially cataclysmic disease outbreak taking place in the city of Wuhan, China. The problem with it, the problem they ran into is then when somebody checked the timeline, they realized in November, there was no cataclysmic disease outbreak in Wuhan. At that point, according to all the available knowledge and retrospective evidence, probably a dozen or maybe 20 people were starting to feel a little bit sick in a city of 11 million. There was no way for any outside observer to possibly be aware of the disease outbreak at that point. In fact, the Chinese government itself only became aware of the outbreak at the end of December, six or seven weeks later. So naturally, the Pentagon immediately denied the existence of that report, said, you know, we don't care, four intelligence sources said that they produced the report, it never existed. However, a week later, Israeli television confirmed the existence of a report saying that report had been sent to Israel, it had been sent to all of our NATO allies in November, and it had been produced in the second week of November. Again, the second week of November was long before anybody in the world could have possibly been aware of the disease outbreak in Wuhan, except for the people responsible. It's fairly close to a smoking gun. It looks that way to me too. It's interesting, was it Esper they asked about this and he said, he said, I don't recall. Exactly. I mean, at that point, you know, again, it was an embarrassment that the report had been provided to these people and ignored until people realized that the dates proved that it was for knowledge of the outbreak in Wuhan. So in other words, it's one thing to have an embarrassment of the fact that the government ignored a report like that. It's another thing when the report proves who was responsible for the disease outbreak. And I mean, America, over the decades, America has spent $100 billion developing its bio warfare technology. America brought the Trump administration brought in Robert Cadillac, America's leading bio warfare expert in 2017. And in 2018, there was suddenly a mysterious viral epidemic that devastated China's poultry industry. In 2019, China's pig herds were annihilated. And then in late 2019, suddenly, the COVID epidemic brought up, which really raises all sorts of incredibly dark suspicions of what really happened. Do you think Trump's telling the truth that he wasn't in the loop? I definitely I don't doubt that the report might have been sent to Trump's desk. But I get the sense that Trump doesn't actually read a lot. And you have all these stories of, for example, Trump's senior officials hiding his own executive orders. He forgets about them. He would forget about them. And we were talking about administration that really was operating in a very strange way with the top figures in the administration running circles around the president ignoring the president. And I fully believe that Trump had absolutely no idea when COVID leaked back to the United States that it was an American bio warfare, bio warfare weapon that was coming to us. And that's the reason they ignored it. That's the reason his response was so lackadaisical. The perpetrators who actually were in the loop have somehow raised the alarm in such a way that the US could protect itself. Well, they did to some extent. I mean, for example, Robert Cadillac, again, our top bio warfare expert, from January to August 2019, Cadillac and his department ran something called the Crimson Contagion Exercise, in which federal and state officials in the United States planned out how they would ensure that if a mysterious virus, viral epidemic, mysterious respiratory virus suddenly appeared in China, that they would prevent it from devastating America and leaking back into China. Eight months they did it, and the virus of exactly that type suddenly appeared in China a couple of months after the end of that exercise. Now, as it turned out, the training obviously was insufficient. That's the understatement. It shows that the people involved in launching the attack against China.

(-)(-)(-)(-)(-)(-)(-)(-)美國黑水公司與蔡政府聯合 拿台灣當人體實驗室 台灣人,你還要忍多久? (路透社2021-06-04 獨家報導 全文中英對照稿) (-)(-)(-)(-)(-)(-)(-)(-) （根據維基百科：路透社乃出生於德國的保羅路透（Paul Reuters）於1851年時在倫敦創辦，歷史悠久，旗下有2500名記者及600名攝影記者，從全球200多個社址發出報導，是全球最大、也是最有公信力的跨國媒體機構之一） （以下中英文逐段並列翻譯，6分鐘內可讀完, 英文連結列在最後） WASHINGTON, June 4 (Reuters) - Erik Prince, the founder of controversial private military firm Blackwater and a supporter of former President Donald Trump, jumped into the COVID-19 business late last year with a deal to distribute an experimental vaccine should it be approved, according to three people familiar with the arrangement and business records seen by Reuters. 路透社2021年6月4日華盛頓報導 — 普林斯（Erik Prince）是頗具爭議性的私人軍火公司「黑水」的創辦人，也是美國前總統川普的擁護者。根據路透社訪問過，熟悉黑水公司運作與交易紀錄的三位人士，普林斯從去年下半年起，也躍入新冠疫苗的商圈，企圖掌握一支目前尚在實驗階段的疫苗，以便未來若取得認證後，得以擁有銷售權。 The COVID-19 vaccine, known as UB-612, is being developed by a privately-held U.S. firm called COVAXX. 那支被稱為UB-612的新冠肺炎疫苗，乃是一家美國私人企業COVAXX所開發的。（譯者註：也就是聯亞生技所開發的聯亞疫苗） The company has said the vaccine shows promise in protecting people against coronavirus, based on a small study of 60 patients in Taiwan. It hasn't provided data on safety and efficacy from large clinical trials, information that is usually required before a vaccine is authorized for public use. 該公司宣稱已在台灣60位病人中進行過小型實驗，顯示該疫苗可望保護病人對抗新冠肺炎，但尚未提供任何大型臨床實驗所得到，關於安全性及效能方面的數據，而那通常是疫苗可被認證供民眾施打前的必要條件。 COVAXX is unrelated to the similar-sounding but better-known "COVAX," a global vaccine distribution program backed by the World Health Organization. 以上所提到的這支COVAXX 疫苗，與另一支國際衛生組織（WHO）早已認證，也較知名的COVAX疫苗，聽起來頗相像，但成分截然不同，請勿混淆。 Since the start of the pandemic in 2020, the COVAXX vaccine has attracted some big-name backers, including endorsements from entrepreneur Peter Diamandis, who co-founded the company, and motivational speaker Tony Robbins. In March, the company raised $1.35 billion in a private placement, according to U.S. securities filings. 從2020年新冠疫情逐漸升高開始，這支COVAXX 疫苗就吸引了一些重量級人士的支持，包含來自創業家彼得戴曼迪斯 （Peter Diamandis，該公司的共同創辦人）以及勵志演說家羅賓斯（Tony Robbins）的背書。根據他們三月向美國證券交易委員會所提交的文件，那時該公司已經私募了13.5億美金。 Prince's involvement in vaccine distribution, which has not been previously reported, sheds new light on the race to profit from the uncertainties of the pandemic. Vaccine supply deals have often been forged through direct government ties to drugmakers, global health organizations or diplomatic channels. 普林斯這段之前不為人知，爭取疫苗銷售權的行動，更讓人看清面對疫情，人心惶惶時，各方爭發疫苗財的真貌。疫苗供應方面的交易，往往取決於製藥廠、世界衛生組織或外交管道，是否能直接與政府打上交道。 Reuters couldn't determine how Prince first became associated with COVAXX, or whether he has brokered any vaccine supply deals. 路透社無法得知普林斯從何時開始與COVAXX掛鉤，或他是否曾經擔任任何疫苗供應交易的掮客。 Prince did not respond to questions for this story. A source close to Prince said that "Erik has been helping a vaccine manufacturer set up distribution," but declined to give details. 普林斯並未回應記者針對以上情節所提出的問題。一位接近普林斯的人士僅說「Erik（普林斯）已經在協助一家疫苗製造商設置銷售管道」但拒絕說明更多細節。 Diane Murphy, a public relations consultant for Vaxxinity Inc, which owns COVAXX, declined to answer questions related to Prince. In a statement to Reuters, she said that the company has "accepted introductions from a variety of private, public and non-profit intermediaries, both formally and informally." COVAXX 母公司Vaxxinity 公司的公關顧問墨菲（暫譯， Diane Murphy）拒絕回答與普林斯有關的提問。她只在對路透社發表的一張紙上聲明中說，該公司已經「正式或非正式地，與一些來自私人、政府或非營利機構的中間人有了初步的接觸。」 'DOLLARS PER DOSE' 每劑疫苗的佣金 Prince has made headlines for years, first as chief executive of Blackwater, whose security guards fatally shot more than a dozen Iraqi civilians in Baghdad in 2007. After he left Blackwater, Prince pushed to privatize the war in Afghanistan by having contractors fight instead of the U.S. military and became embroiled in an investigation into possible collusion between the Trump election campaign and the Russian government. 普林斯的名字多年來常上報紙頭版，首先是因為2007年他還身為黑水公司總裁時，他私人保鑣在巴格達射死了十多位伊拉克百姓。他離開黑水公司之後，又推動在阿富汗雇用傭兵，來代替美國軍人打仗，後來又捲入川普選舉時的通俄門。 Prince sought to recruit a close associate, the late Paul Behrends, a former Republican congressional staffer and lobbyist who represented Blackwater for over two years, to help in the COVAXX project. 普林斯本想招募已故的親密夥伴布倫茲（暫譯，Paul Behrends）協助COVAXX 計畫，因為布倫茲曾在共和黨眾議院中擔任幕僚，並為黑水公司遊說超過兩年。 In a series of text messages to Behrends, Prince described the potential for profit from selling the vaccines. 普林斯在一系列發給布倫茲的簡訊中，這樣形容銷售該疫苗可獲利的潛力： "There's room for a couple dollars per dose in commissions," Prince said in a Nov. 9 text to Behrends. He shared with Behrends a "Letter of Authorization" on COVAXX letterhead signed by senior vice president Brandon Schurter as proof of his distribution deal. Schurter did not respond to requests for comment. 普林斯在11月9日寫給布倫茲的簡訊中說：「每劑疫苗的佣金可達2美元」。普林斯還跟布倫茲分享了一封寫在COVAXX官方信箋，並由該公司資深副總舒特（暫譯，Brandon Schurter）簽字的「授權書」，證明他已獲得銷售權。針對以上事件，舒特本人並未回應路透社的提問。 The October 2020 letter said that an entity called Windward Capital, with an address in Abu Dhabi, was authorized to "assist in the process of creating distribution networks." Reuters could not find a Windward Capital registered in Abu Dhabi. But a company called Windward Holdings that handles "professional, scientific and technical activities" is listed there, with Erik Prince the sole named shareholder. 在該封寫於2020年10月的信中，普林斯宣稱已經在阿布扎比成立了一家名為「Windward 資產」的公司，被授權來「協助建立銷售網」。路透社無法在阿布扎比找到一間註冊為「Windward 資產」的公司，但找到了一間名為「Windward 控股」，目標在「處理專業方面、科學方面與技術方面活動」的公司，並且普林斯是該公司唯一掛名的股東。 Prince is also the managing member of a corporate entity called Windward Wyoming LLC, which says it has a "global distribution" deal with COVAXX, according to records of non-public business agreements seen by Reuters. The company was formed in October 2020, public incorporation records in Wyoming show. 普林斯同時也是一家名為「懷俄明州Windward 股份有限公司」的總經理。據路透社所見過，一份非公開的商業協定中說，該公司成立的目標為「在全球銷售COVAXX疫苗」。根據懷俄明州的官方資料，該公司成立於2020年10月。 Lawyers and other officials affiliated with the various Windward entities did not respond to requests for comment. 以上名為Windward的兩間公司，其律師及相關負責人都未回應路透社就以上所發出的提問。 Prince and Behrends were negotiating how to carve up prospective sales territories by country, said Barry Angeline, a friend of Behrends. But their possible collaboration was cut short in December, when Behrends died. 布倫茲的一位朋友安吉林（暫譯，Barry Angeline）說，普林斯和布倫茲曾經協商過，當如何針對不同國家的地區而提高疫苗的銷售量，但此合作之可能性因12月布倫茲過世而告吹。 Vaxxinity consultant Murphy told Reuters the company has a "focus on the developing market" – including the many countries that have been unable to acquire the shots made by global drugmakers and stockpiled by wealthier nations. Vaxxinity 的顧問墨菲告訴路透社，該公司「專注於開發中國家的市場」— 包含那些無法透過全球製藥廠得到疫苗，或被富有國家囤積，以致無法取得疫苗的國家。 HIGH-PROFILE BACKERS 聲名顯赫的支持者 COVAXX was formed in early 2020 as a subsidiary of United Biomedical Inc (UBI), a maker of diagnostic tests and veterinary vaccines, to address the coronavirus pandemic. In April, the company announced it was being consolidated into a new holding corporation called Vaxxinity. COVAXX的母公司United Biomedical Inc (UBI)公司，原本是製造檢驗試劑及動物疫苗的，於2020年初期分出子公司COVAXX，以對抗新冠疫情。四月時，該官司宣布被合併進入一家新的控股公司，名為Vaxxinity. COVAXX's backers were quick to publicize the vaccine's potential beginning in July, based on early tests in animals, and before the first clinical trials in people began in Taiwan. COVAXX的支持者從七月起，就已經開始大肆宣傳該疫苗的潛力，根據的不過是早期的動物實驗數據，甚至早在以台灣人首次進行臨床人體實驗之前。 Diamandis, who is listed as a co-founder of Vaxxinity, wrote in a July 30 post on his personal blog that the vaccine was safe for patients and likely effective in the elderly. He told Reuters he made it clear in those posts that his assertions were based on previous trial results of other vaccines developed by the company. 列名Vaxxinity共同創辦人的戴曼迪斯，2020年7月30日於自己私人部落格上宣稱，該疫苗不但可供病人安全接種，並且在年長者身上也有效。他告訴路透社說，他在部落格上清楚說明了，那些是根據自己公司「其他」疫苗「過去」實驗的結果而認定的。 A few weeks later, Robbins, the self-help coach, held a webinar promoting COVAXX titled "The most powerful vaccine you've never heard of." Robbins said in the video that he was one of the company owners. "I've invested in the company, so everyone knows. Because I've been blown away by seeing these results," he said. 幾週之後，有「自助教練」之稱的羅賓斯舉辦了一場網路論壇，來宣傳COVAXX，稱其為「你平生未見，最威力強大的疫苗」。羅賓斯在該影片中聲稱自己是該公司所有人之一，還說：「我要在這裡告訴大家，我投資這家公司，因為親眼目睹了施打這疫苗的神效。」 Robbins "remains an investor," his spokeswoman Jennifer Connelly said in a statement to Reuters. She added, "Mr. Robbins is not involved in the management or daily operations." 羅賓斯的女發言人康納莉（暫譯，Jennifer Connelly ）在一篇給路透社的聲明中說「羅賓斯直到如今仍然是該公司的一位投資者，但他並未參與該公司日常的運作管理。」 In October, COVAXX and shipping giant Maersk announced a partnership to provide global transport of the vaccine as soon as it becomes available. The Maersk official quoted in the release, Rob Townley, said the company recognized the urgent need to safely deliver COVID-19 vaccines worldwide. COVAXX 和全球航運巨擘「快桅」公司於十月宣布合夥，將在疫苗上市後，以最快速度供應至全球。「快桅」公司的塔利（暫譯，Rob Townley）並在該聲明中說該公司認知到當務之急乃是將新冠疫苗安全運至全球各地。 Townley was briefly an aide to former U.S. Army general Michael Flynn during Flynn's short tenure as Trump's National Security Adviser. In an interview, Townley said he knows Prince but couldn't discuss Prince's involvement. 塔利曾經在川普總統任命佛林（Michael Flynn）擔任美國國家安全顧問的短短期間，短暫擔任過佛林的幕僚。塔利在一場訪問中說，他認識普林斯，但對普林斯所參與的事務不予置評。 Data on how well the vaccine works is still pending. In an email to Reuters, Vaxxinity’s Murphy said the company had completed the Phase 1 trial of 60 volunteers aged 20 to 55 in Taiwan, and is conducting a new study of 3,800 people there, including teens and elderly participants. The company plans larger trials in Brazil and India later this year. 該疫苗的果效尚有待數據證明。Vaxxinity 的墨菲在發給路透社的一封電子郵件中說，該公司已經結束在台灣針對60名，20-55歲志願者的第一期實驗。現在正在台灣進行為數3800人，包含青少年及年長者的新實驗。今年下半年計畫在巴西和印度展開更大規模的實驗。 Reporting by Aram Roston in Washington and Lisa Barrington in Abu Dhabi; Editing by Michele Gershberg 以上由在華盛頓的Aram Roston，以及在阿布札比的Lisa Barrington報導，由 Michele Gershberg編輯 以上路透社英文原稿連結為 EXCLUSIVE Blackwater founder Prince takes role in COVID vaccine venture | Reuters

CNN 對台積電董事長劉德音的專訪翻譯逐字稿 On GPS: Can China afford to attack Taiwan? Fareed Zakaria, GPS In a rare interview with Mark Liu, chairman of Taiwan's TSMC — Asia's most valuable company — Fareed asks about the ongoing tension between the self-governing island and Beijing. Source: CNN Fareed Zakaria: 如果中國攻打台灣，那會如何影響台灣，以及台灣的經濟? What would happen to Taiwan, and to the Taiwanese economy, if China were to invade? 劉德音: 噢，當然，戰場上沒有贏家；所有人都是輸家。台灣人已在台灣建立起自己的民主系統，然後他們想過自己的生活。雖然半導體產業對台灣整體經濟來說十分重要，但如果真的發生戰爭的話，那或許半導體業不是最需要我們擔心的事。我們真正需要擔心的是這場戰爭將會摧毀以具有穩定秩序的世界經貿活動(the destruction of the world rule-based order)；整個地理政治將會有劇烈的變化。 Oh, of course, the war brings no winners. Everybody is losers. And people in Taiwan has earned their democratic system in Taiwan, and they want to choose their way of life. And we think that indeed the chip supply is a critical business and economy in Taiwan, but had it -- had it been a War in Taiwan, probably the chip is not the most important thing we should worry about because this invasion, if it comes after, is the destruction of the world rule-based order. There is no -- the geopolitical landscape would totally change. Fareed Zakaria: 你會擔心台灣目前在中國半導體供應鏈上所扮演的核心角色嗎? 這會對台灣造成甚麼危險嗎? 還是說其實有戰略上的嚇阻效果? 畢竟有時大家會說台積電是台灣的護國神山。不過即便如此，我們還是知道中國一直都強調「我們對台灣有絕對的主權，而且這是我們不可退讓的中國資產」。 Do you worry that Taiwan is now so integral to the Chinese supply chain at the high end?.. Does that create a danger for Taiwan? Or is it a deterrent? People sometimes talk about the TSMC shield, but you could equally see Beijing saying we need to have total control of this. This is the most valuable asset and it's outside our borders. 劉德音: 嗯，沒有國家能夠用武力控制台積電的，因為如果中國解放軍真的入侵台積電，台積電就完全不能運作了，因為這是一個十分複雜的龐大組織。台積電從原料、化學物質、設備零件、工程軟體與檢測等各面向都隨時都需要跟外面的世界，歐洲、日本、美國相互溝通合作。是在世界上的所有人的努力才能讓這間公司，台積電，能夠正常運作。所以假如你用武力侵占了台積電，那台積電就不可能正常運作了，也就沒有所謂的台積電了。至於我們與中國的生意，目前中國大概占了我們 10% 的生意吧，但我們只會跟一般企業與消費者做生意，我們不會將晶片賣給軍事組織。我們覺得說，消費市場是很重要的，而且是生生不息的。如果消費者有需求，那我想，跟他們做生意並不是甚麼壞事。 Ok. Nobody can control TSMC by force. If you take a military force or invasion, you will render TSMC factory not operable because this is such a sophisticated manufacturing facility. It depends on the real-time connection with the outside world, with Europe, with Japan, with the US, from materials, to chemicals, to spare parts, to engineering software, diagnosis. It's everybody's effort to make this factory operable. So if you take it over by force, you can no longer make it operable. In terms of the China business, its today composed about 10% of our business. We only work with consumer. We don't work with militaries entity. We think that is, the consumer pool, is important, and it is vibrant. And if they need us, it's not a bad thing. Fareed Zakaria: 解釋一下，為什麼這(台積電跟中國做生意)不是壞事? Expand on that. Why is it not a bad thing? 劉德音: 噢，這是因為我們停止運作後將會為中國帶來巨大的經濟損失，因為他們最先進的半導體晶片突然就這樣消失了，所以他們在做這種"武力犯台"之前，我想必定會三思而後行的。 你看烏克蘭戰爭，我想我們都得從中好好反省與汲取些經驗。人們認為烏克蘭跟台灣非常像，但我得說台灣跟烏克蘭非常不一樣。想想烏俄戰爭對各國帶來的種種負面影響，對任何國家來說都不是好事。從西方世界、俄羅斯與烏克蘭的角度來看，都是輸家，沒有人從中獲得好處。我真的認為大家都應該要好好反省這場戰爭究竟為我們人類帶來了甚麼，想想我們應該要如何避免戰爭，想想我們該如何確保全球經濟的穩定，如何讓全球經濟能持續生生不息，而且也讓我們以公平的方式相互競爭，這是我的想法。 Oh, because our interruption will create great economic turmoil in either side in China because suddenly their most advanced components supply disappeared. And -- and it is an interruption, I must say. So people will think twice on this. I think the Ukraine war, I think we should draw lessons from it. People think Ukraine will make connected with the Taiwan Strait. They are very different. But in case you think about imperil, Ukraine war is not good for any of the sides. From the Western world, from Russia, from Ukraine, it's lose, lose, lose scenarios. All three sides ought to draw lessons. I think they do. And we should use that lessons to look at the lens on Taiwan. How can we avoid a war? How can we ensure no -- the world economy -- the engine of the world economy continue humming and let's have a fair competition. That's what I think. Fareed Zakaria: 就你看來，你會怎麼解釋台灣的經濟奇蹟? 在過去五十年裡，台灣經濟成功達到每年有 5% 的經濟成長。世上很少能夠有著像台灣經濟成長幅度這樣的國家，你怎麼看呢? From your perspective, what explains the Taiwan miracle? This is now a place that has grown at 5% a year for five decades. There are very few places in the world that have managed that. What explains the Taiwan miracle? 劉德音: 從外人的角度來看，會覺得這是一個奇蹟。但對認真工作的台灣人來說，這只是奮鬥的過程。老實說我覺得，相較於其他國家，尤其是在亞洲，我覺得台灣其中一個特點在於它那和平的社會。從 1949 年到現在，台灣一直都是相當和平的。這是個和平的地方。而在這期間，台灣從威權主義社會轉型成民主國家，變成一個民主社會。而如果你從整個世界的角度來看這點，如此這般和平的社會轉型是相當神奇的事情，我們是非常幸運的。而如果真要說奇蹟，我想台灣的確還有一點是相當與眾不同的，那就是我們的教育制度。 在我還小的時候，只有 10% 的人上大學。如今有 80% 的年輕人擁有大學文憑。我們政府設立了非常多間大學，所以對於所有年輕人來說，如果你想讀大學，那一定可以讀，只要你願意花時間，所以這建立了一個相對高品質的社會環境，以面對未來可能的種種挑戰，這是我覺得非常非常特別的一點。 Looking from outside, it appears to be a miracle. For the people working hard on the island, it is just a history of fighting. I think, to be honest, compared with other nations, particularly in Asia, I think one of the key components in Taiwan is a peaceful society. It maintained peace since 1949 till today, 70 years. It's a peaceful island. And during that period of time, Taiwan has transformed from authoritarian state into a democratic state, became a democratic society. This is marvelous because if you look at the nations around the world, having such a smooth transition, peaceful transition, we are fortunate, to be honest. But if you talk about the miracles, I also think there's one thing that is very distinctly different, is the education system. When I was young, only 10% of the young people entered college or universities. Today, 80% of the young people have college or university degrees. The government set up many colleges, universities. And every kid, if you want to go to university, you can go, and just so long as you spend time. So that has created a relatively good quality of population in Taiwan, posing for any change ahead. That's why I think that's very, very special. Fareed Zakaria: 為什麼其他人都很難做出你做的晶片呢? 我現在在想的是你們的七奈米，美國有非常多擁有輝煌歷史的偉大公司，像是 Intel。而中國則是撒了數十億的資金去開設晶圓廠，但都沒有人能做出你們的晶片。 Why is it so difficult for anyone to make the chips that you make? And I'm thinking now about the 7 nanometer. The Americans have these great companies that have huge history, like Intel. The Chinese pour tens of billions of dollars into new companies. But no one can make the chips you make. 劉德音: 嗯，可以啊，只是晚幾年而已，就...哈哈哈哈... Well, they can, just a few years later. It's ... hahaha ... Fareed Zakaria: 但這就是重點啊... But that's all the difference in this business. 劉德音: 沒錯，這是唯一的關鍵。我想我們是把半導體技術本身看做是一門科學，但也是一門生意。這不是組裝零件那樣而已。當然，這一切都得歸功於我們與其他夥伴的合作。我們的工程師甚至因為 COVID 而戴上 AR (擴充虛擬實境) 跟遠在荷蘭以及加州的工程師合作，我們就是這麼密切的合作，共同推進最先進的半導體技術。我只能說這麼多了，沒辦法跟你透漏與解釋所有細節。 You're right. That's all the difference. I think we treat the semiconductor technology itself as a business, as a science. It's not assembly workers. And, of course, I credit this to be working with our partners. Even the COVID time, our engineer used the AR, augmented reality, lenses to work with engineer in Netherland, work with engineer in California. And that's how close we work together. And together, we push the frontier of the semiconductor technologies. I cannot tell you everything why. Fareed Zakaria: 哦當然你不可能跟我說可口可樂的配方的...哈哈...。好，最後一個問題，在技術與經濟層面上，你會怎麼看待未來? 你的願景是甚麼? You're not going to tell me the secret formula of coca cola. Finally, tell me what you think will look like in the future, technologically, economically. What are your hopes? 劉德音: 我希望我們不會因為很接近中國而被歧視(discriminated)。不論我們跟中國的關係是甚麼，台灣就是台灣。你得把台灣視為一個整體，視為一個充滿活力與衝勁的社會。我們希望能為世界帶來創新，並持續不斷地推進未來，而不會因為我們跟中國有些紛爭而害怕我們。這實在是不值得。 I hope that we don't get discriminated because we are close to China. No matter your relationship with China, Taiwan is Taiwan. You have to look at Taiwan as, by itself, a vibrant society. We want to unleash the innovation for the world, into the future, continuously, and not to be scared because we have some dispute with our neighbors. And that is not worth it. Fareed Zakaria: 這你這樣好像是在跟世界說 ── 如果我理解錯誤請糾正我 ── 不要害怕中國說的那些話。因為中國永遠不可能接手台灣。台灣經濟是建立於全球合作，建立於信任與公開透明之上。如果他們侵入台灣，他們會發現實際上他們甚麼也沒拿到。 But it seems to me you're saying to the world -- correct me if I'm wrong -- you're saying to the world, don't be scared by what China is saying because the Chinese will never be able to take. The Taiwanese economy is built on this global collaboration, -- on trust, on openness, on -- they'll find they've taken over nothing, if they come in. 劉德音: 正確，沒錯，我的確是這麼想的，所以我們大家只會為彼此帶來災難，每一方都是如此。雖然我們得做最壞打壞，但還是盡量往最好的方向看齊。 Correct, yes, I do believe so. So the world can only create problem on three sides, all three sides. And that is -- we need to prepare the worst, but we should hope for the best. Fareed Zakaria: 你剛有提到烏克蘭戰爭是 lose-lose-lose，所以你希望可以 win-win-win。 So you said about the Ukraine war, it's lose-lose-lose. Your hope is for a win-win-win. 劉德音: 對，如果真的開戰了，那就會變成這樣。如果一切和平，那麼就只跟我們三方的競爭策略有關，我想在商場上沒有人會想要發生戰爭，所以我們又為什麼要再跳進這個陷阱(戰爭)裡呢? Yes, if you have a war, then it will be that. If this is peaceful, well, it's upon the competition strategies on all three sides. And I think that nobody in the business world want to see a war happen. And why do we jump again into another trap? Fareed Zakaria: 感謝你寶貴的時間。 Thank you for taking so much time 劉德音: 很高興能參與訪談。 We enjoy talking to you. (zero game 2)(sun over mountain)(praying)